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  1980s Brochure/magazine on demon possession?

  by caves in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  does anyone else remember a brochure/ magazine from the early 80s with stories of demon possessed individuals and spiritism ?

  i dont think i saw it around very long.

  it had a story about some lady having her head snapped around by a demon.

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  neat blue dog

  Yes, I remember that one. From the Sep. 1st, 1987 WT. The article in question is here:

  https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1987641#h=9:75-9:499

  “One night we were called to help a sick woman troubled by a spirit. The leader of the group​—the medium of a stronger spirit—​tried to chase the spirit away. For a whole day we pleaded for his spirit’s help. We danced and played the drums, and gradually the woman improved. He ordered her spirit out, and this worked. ‘We gained the victory,’ beamed the leader. Then we sat down and relaxed.”

  Izaak’s gesticulating arms rest for a moment while he pauses meaningfully. Then he continues: “For a while all looked well, but then a scream broke the silence. We rushed to the house where it came from and saw the leader’s wife. She was crying hysterically. Inside the house, we found her little daughter​—her head facing backward! Some force had wrung and broken her neck, killing her like a chicken​—apparently, the revenge of that ousted spirit. Sickening! Those spirits are sadistic murderers.”
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  Facial Hair

  by new boy in

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  2. friends

  since i have been out for seventeen years what is the currant society policy concerning beards and mustaches.. in the sixties and seventies facial hair was forbidden at bethel if you white.

  if you were black you could have mustache but no beards.

  so obviously you could not be elder or pioneer if you had a beard.. any updates?

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  neat blue dog

  Good, hopefully that will spread.
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  I Wonder What Tony Tightpants Morris Thought Of Prince?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. social
  2. humour

  we all know tony the turd has an obsession with boys in tight pants.

  i cant help but wonder what he thought about brother nelson (aka.

  prince) who was known to squeeze into some tight numbers from time to time?.

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  neat blue dog

  It was a big deal at the time. It was the dedication of the new Warwick complex. For the very first time, Kingdom Halls across the world were simultaneously tied to a Bethel broadcast.

  Okay you're talking about 3 different events, all 2 years apart. The first time all halls were tied in was in 2013 to release the new Bible. The time he talked about tight pants was in 2015 at the local needs for the US Branch Visit. The Warwick dedication was in 2017.
  
  
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  Is Child Abuse An Issue That You Personally Have Seen In The Organization?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as an elder, i saw one child abuse situation involving a man who wanted to be an elder and had i believe 8 children.

  he was not in our congregation when this all erupted.

  he denied it and moved to another hall and unbelievably, that body of elders wanted to appoint him since they believed his entire family was lying about him.

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  neat blue dog

  Yes, an Elder in my congregation was accused by his daughter but only one witness, so a report was privately sent to Bethel but that's it. He 'served' until death. Another Elder who was also annointed as well as a shareholder of the WTB&TS of PA and regularly went to the annual business meeting was also accused but only by one witness. He 'served' until death. Looking back on the latter I can definitely see signs of it in photos and memories, but I was young myself at the time and never noticed. In hindsight there are also others that I don't know if they've been accused or not but I'd be wary of.
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  New abbreviation POMOSI

  by NeedToKnow in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was thinking that i’m not exactly pomo but more pomosi - physically out mentally out spiritually in.. anyone who is familiar with the life of raymond franz may understand what i mean.

  so i haven’t been to meetings in a while and i’m so over the whole mind control thing but i do love jehovah and believe in his purpose for us.

  the org doesn’t go about it properly imo so i have been doing my own reading and understanding.

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  neat blue dog

  If you go down that route then you could just keep on adding letters like they do with LGBTQPOWMIA. What you are is between POMI and POMO, nothing is immediate. Just because you are spiritual doesn't mean you're 'in' per say. I'm a Christian, but as far as JW's I'm fully PIMO. However if you're still clinging to theology that's uniquely JW, then they still have a hold on you. I recommend you read articles on JW Facts about the earthly resurrection, the last days, door to door preaching, false prophecy etc. You will see that all these are thoroughly debunked and maybe you can finally move on mentally and spiritually.
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  Is the blood doctrine idolatrous?

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm not a god-fearing individual, but when i was still a believer, many suns ago, it occurred to me that the blood doctrine had an idolatrous foundation; it was one of the initial anti-wt thoughts in my mind that eventually led to me leaving the religion and ultimately (and somewhat ironically) to atheism.. the bible says that one should 'abstain from blood', and putting aside whether this is a mistranslation of bloodshed (which i've never bought), the wt are quite picky about which commandments they follow; they don't observe the sabbath, and they've even provided justifications for lying, so why the preoccupation with the blood commandment?

  and why is it so serious a matter that it's a disfellowship-worthy offence?

  the justification i was always given by elders was that blood is sacred, it's a symbol of life, and whilst the commandment to abstain from blood clearly meant that one shouldn't eat it, it's not unreasonable on the surface to extrapolate it to include transfusions (although some would disagree).. the problem with this reasoning of course is that by abstaining from blood transfusions, death from massive blood-loss is a possibility, unlike with abstaining from eating it.

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  Excellent point, they're putting the symbol above the reality. It's also worth noting that blood from a live person isn't really the same principle anyway, that's their fundamental misunderstanding. When they killed or took a life of an animal, they were supposed to 'give it back' by pouring it out on the ground. The blood of a live donor doesn't need to be 'given back'.
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  "Blood Guilty"

  by new boy in

  1. jw
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  guilt is such a wonderful tool used by the jehovah’s witnesses.

  one of the terms they love to use is the term “blood guilty.” they have actually used this term to guilt their members into doing more and more “house to house activity” yes, they have said on numerous occasions at their kingdom halls and other major gathering that a person “could be blood guilty” for not going out in the field service activity enough.

  the reason is simple.

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  neat blue dog

  Who is blood guilty for any who died from refusing vaccines, organ transplants and blood fractions over the decades before they became allowed?
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  How many JDubs would believe this ridiculous statement?

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a circuit overseer or a member of the gibbering body is giving a talk about demonism and he says the following, "there was an elder in a congregation in california who let his 8-year-old daughter watch disney movies that involved witches, gremlins, magic, and sorcery.

  many may feel that they are harmless movies and are just entertainment.

  well, the 8-year-old daughter actually brought a blue smurf doll to the public talk and watchtower study.

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  neat blue dog

  
  

  Fuckin Idiot! So glad I am out.
  

  
  

  ducatijoe

  Are YOU the Smurf?!
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  Pennsylvania abuse scandal

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/catholic-priests-pennsylvania-church-jury.html.

  this is the latest catholic scandal .

  and all that jws in my area have been talking about gleefully.

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  neat blue dog

  freddo, I like that point about being an imperfect man . . . They use that all the time as an excuse for themselves, but not for others.
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  Pennsylvania abuse scandal

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/catholic-priests-pennsylvania-church-jury.html.

  this is the latest catholic scandal .

  and all that jws in my area have been talking about gleefully.

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  neat blue dog

  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/catholic-priests-pennsylvania-church-jury.html

  This is the latest Catholic scandal . . . And all that JWs in my area have been talking about gleefully. Have any other PIMO's here experienced that? Of course we here see the irony. As a matter of fact, when they said it was over a thousand cases over the years, that immediately brought to mind the Australian Royal Commission, which was also about over 1,000 cases of unreported abuse. Has anybody had a chance to bring that to anybody's attention as tactfully as possible? I certainly will try if I have the chance.